To Sirius Or Not To Sirius

OK, I am playing with Shakespeare’s line at the beginning of the famous soliloquy from Hamlet. I am also playing with the homophones/heterographs of serious/Sirius and to/too.

The trial subscription for Sirius/XM expired in our Cadillac ATS. We have no intention, at present, to renew. I am also seriously (get it) considering letting the subscription expire in my Z06.

I have hundreds of songs on my iPhone (all of which I know I like, that’s why they’re on my phone) and can play them in my car via Bluetooth. The only Sirius/XM channel I use is Sixties on Six and that’s usually when my wonderful wife accompanies me. Honestly, I have never forgiven them for dropping the Beyond Jazz channel after the Sirius/XM merger. Given people are paying for the service, you can’t provide some non-mainstream channels?!

I know JS has Sirius/XM, but how about the rest of you? If you have it, how much do you listen to it? Have any of you cancelled the service?


Originally, I was going to call today’s post “Surprise! Frugal Friday!” The post would have shown a Frugal Friday find or two. As I have written, though, I feel that my automotive universe has become too narrow for these posts to have any originality or usefulness. I mean, I don’t give a sh*t about a Toyota Camry or a Ford F-150.

I think I have shown more than enough C4/C5/C6 Corvettes, so even though I consider them to be great bargains what’s the point of showing them every week? Even though I did show Ferraris in March, 2019 and February, 2020, I don’t really think a Frugal Ferrari or low-cost Lamborghini exist.

That being said, I am going to show an interesting car that is not too expensive, in my opinion. Although the car to be written up is from AutoTrader, this picture is from


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In case you don’t remember (or even if you do), AutoTrader is very aggressive at breaking picture links so I don’t show any photos captured from their website. The AutoTrader example of an Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Volante is a 2002 model (like the one pictured, I hope) in Gray over Black, has a V-12 engine, 35,000 miles and an asking price of $18,999.

Yes, Aston maintenance is expensive even if you don’t take the car to a dealer. Still, a V-12 Aston convertible for under 20 grand sounds really good to me. Since Ford owned Aston Martin from 1991 to 2007, I wonder if you could get this car serviced at a Ford dealer.

I would really like to read your opinions of this car, Frugal Friday or any other topic. Thanks.







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Frugal Friday: 25 Miles From Home And Turbocharged

First…this CNBC article is titled, “Apple CEO links Facebook’s business model to real-world violence.” Here is one of Tim Cook’s comments: “If a business is built on misleading users, on data exploitation, on choices that are no choices at all, it does not deserve our praise. It deserves scorn.” Amen!

Here is another one of his remarks: “At a moment of rampant disinformation and conspiracy theories juiced by algorithms, we can no longer turn a blind eye to a theory of technology that says all engagement is good and the longer the better.” Cook never actually mentioned Fack Fucebook by name (I try to avoid mentioning those criminals by name, as well), but his reference could not have been clearer.

Delete Facebook! Fack Fucebook!


OK, I have decided to continue Frugal Friday on occasion, but only when I can really think of something interesting to me. By extension, I hope any Frugal Friday cars I choose are interesting to you, also.

In 2010, only about 5% of the new cars and light trucks sold in the US were turbocharged. By 2017, that percentage had increased to almost 28%. Intransigent proponents of all-electric vehicles dream about that kind of speed of adaptation.

While I would never impose my will and beliefs on others, I do think that all internal combustion engines should be turbocharged. Such engines can have smaller displacement, meaning better fuel economy, without sacrificing power. Turbocharged engines are also more thermally efficient than naturally aspirated motors and produce less emissions.

Long way ’round, today’s Frugal Friday cars are an interesting pair of turbocharged cars with fewer than 45,000 miles found on AutoTrader within 25 miles of my home zip code. In all, the search returned 645 cars and sedans were excluded.

Remember that I will not show pictures of the actual cars as AutoTrader aggressively breaks links to pictures on their website. Without further ado:


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From Auto Evolution a picture of a Saab 9-3 turbo convertible. The AutoTrader car, a 2004 model, is Black over Gray, has about 41,000 miles and an asking price of $11,500. The two-liter turbo four produces 210 HP/221 LB-FT of torque. The AutoTrader car has a 5-speed automatic transmission.

My wonderful wife’s father owned a Saab convertible and he really liked it, except the time he parked it with the top down and birds pooped on the interior. Oh, I do not like the term “in-law.”

From Drag Times, a picture of a car like one currently offered on AutoTrader:


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This is a 2008 Saturn Sky Red Line. As regular readers of Disaffected Musings know, I am a big fan of these cars AND think General Motors should have given Buick an improved and upgraded version of this car as a halo car after it and its close cousin, the Pontiac Solstice, were discontinued due to the GM bankruptcy and the end of Pontiac and Saturn.

The AutoTrader car is in Midnight Blue over Black, has 43,000 miles and the asking price is $14,999. The two-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine produced 260 HP/260 LB-FT of torque. When this engine was introduced in the Red Line and Solstice GXP it had the highest specific output (HP per unit of displacement) of any engine in General Motors history. The car for sale has a 5-speed manual transmission.

Two interesting (IMO) cars that are turbocharged and convertibles, no less, for under $15,000 each. Sounds good to me…if only we had room for another car. 🙂









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The End Of Frugal Friday?

Originally, I was going to call today’s post “Frugal Friday, 25 Miles From Home Edition” and briefly talk about Charles Edwin Hatcher, better known as Edwin Starr. (He was a singer and the first of his two top ten hits was “25 Miles From Home.”) I was going to show the least expensive cars with engines of at least 8 cylinders no more than 25 miles from my home zip code.

All of those cars were either Camaros, Challengers or Mustangs. As my vehicle universe is far smaller than that of the rest of the world I am beginning to wonder if Frugal Friday has outlived its usefulness. I will always be grateful to David Banner (not his real name) for suggesting the feature, but after almost two years (the first Frugal Friday post was in February of 2019), I am reminded that all things must come to an end.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the topic? I would be happy to read them.


One of the reasons Chevrolet/GM made the “radical” change to a mid-engine design for the Corvette was to bring new buyers to the Corvette market. Granted, the rollout was compromised by the damn virus and UAW strike, but so far that seems to be the case. According to Vice President of Chevrolet Steve Hill, two out of three C8 buyers are new to Chevy. [emphasis mine]

Interestingly, prospective C8 customers have been cross-shopping the new Stingray with its long-time rival, the Porsche 911, more than any other car. Since the 911’s price is in six figures and one can buy a nice C8 for $70,000-$75,000, it should be no surprise that many people are choosing the Vette. Of course, the Corvette has long been an unbelievable bargain in the world of performance cars. It’s just that a lot of buyers in that market would not consider buying a front-engine car. You can call them “snobs” if you like, but people’s perceptions and preferences are what they are.

From Car Buzz, a picture of a 2021 Corvette:


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We see a lot of C8 Corvettes here in the desert, but we see A LOT more Porsches. Obviously, the former is a brand-new model while the latter is not.



The tile and carpet work are all done. My wonderful wife and I are very happy with the outcome. Although no one reading this has any frame of reference (well, except maybe K Squared), we are just overwhelmed at the transformation of the house from dark space to light space. Remember this photo?



We chose a local company over a “big box” retailer. The latter wanted significantly more money AND wanted additional bullsh*t fees AND wanted us to do some of the work! So far anyway, we are happy with our choice. Yes, the newly carpeted rooms have that new carpet smell. This, too, shall pass. Of course, little carpet fibers are still everywhere as you can see in the picture. We will vacuum this weekend.

Speaking of the weekend, I hope all of you enjoy yours.







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Frugal Friday, Cheapest Car I Would Buy Edition




I warned you that I was going to show a lot of pictures of the scenery around here.


Even though I found both of our Corvettes using Car Gurus, for the type of search I wanted to do today I used AutoTrader. The latter is better at searches by multiple types of cars.

I did a nationwide search of vehicles with a max price of $10,000 and no more than 75,000 miles. The cars had to have an 8-cylinder engine, an automatic transmission, and be a convertible or coupe. Oh, the cars also could not have ever had a reported accident.

It will be absolutely no surprise to regular readers of Disaffected Musings which car I picked. This picture is from Barrett-Jackson as picture links to AutoTrader have a way of breaking quickly.


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This is a 1993 Cadillac Allanté. The one available on AutoTrader, also in Red, has 53,499 miles and the asking price is $7,990. AutoTrader classifies that as a “Great Price.”

This was the fifth least expensive of the 19 results in the search. The four that were less expensive were also Cadillacs, either Eldorados or Allantés, but were of model years I wouldn’t buy.

IF the car fit our needs (it doesn’t) or IF I had space for a fourth car (I don’t), I would have already contacted the dealer about this car. If my aunt had had balls, she would have been my uncle. I first heard that line, which I have been using for more than 40 years, from Tim Whittie. He was a star athlete at my high school, earning 10 varsity letters in football, wrestling and track. (It could have been football, wrestling and lacrosse, but 10 varsity letters is still 10 varsity letters.)

He did play major college football, but was never more than a complementary player at that level. I had a friend, Jim F (we have drifted apart over the years), who was the city defensive player of the year in our senior year. He was not successful at making the jump to college football at the 1-AA level. It’s great to have dreams, but almost everyone should have a fallback position. People like LeBron James are literally one in a million.

OK, back to the car…as every edition of Frugal Friday shows, an enjoyable car can be purchased for not a lot of money. I believe it was Keynes who said that the desired end result of all economic activity is consumption. In other words, one acquires wealth with the idea it will or could be spent, even if that spending is in the future.








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Frugal Friday After Momentous Thursday

Yesterday was a day of major change for my wonderful wife and me. First, the extensive repairs (stucco remediation and associated repairs) were completed yesterday after four weeks of work. We want to thank Rob and Jaime for their yeoman efforts on our behalf.

Second, we had much furniture removed yesterday, some to be consigned for sale and the rest to be donated to charity. The kitchen and master bedroom were particularly denuded of furniture.

Third, we said goodbye to our dependable Kia Sportage, selling it to CarMax. One last picture:



If one looks closely a small dent can be seen on the left front fender, courtesy of a tree limb launched during Tropical Storm Isaias. The proceeds received for the Kia will be used to buy its replacement. The backdrop for this photo is one that will soon be foreign to us, both in terms of location and type of setting.

We owned the Sportage for eight years, during which time we drove it about 42,000 miles. It was a reliable vehicle and served us well.

When I put “Momentous Thursday” in the post title you didn’t think I was referring to the last Presidential debate, did you? I will reiterate my extreme disdain for American politics. To Democrats and Republicans, a plague on both your houses!


Barrett-Jackson returned to live auctions yesterday with their “Fall” event held at Westworld in Scottsdale, Arizona. The auctions are now broadcast on fyi and History.

I guess people didn’t understand that the TV move meant the end of Cristy Lee as a participant in the broadcast. Disaffected Musings had many views by people trying to find out why she didn’t appear on the Barrett-Jackson telecast, which led them to Where Is Cristy Lee?, this post and this one.

One more time…Cristy Lee is under contract, ultimately, to Discovery Communications. (Motor Trend, the previous “home” of the Barrett-Jackson telecasts, is part of Discovery.) History and fyi are jointly owned by Disney and Hearst Communications, not by Discovery.

In addition to other commitments, Steve Magnante actually works for Barrett-Jackson, which is why he is still on the broadcast. Mike Joy and Rick DeBruhl must have a contractual arrangement (i.e. not under contract to Discovery) that allowed them to continue on the broadcast after the change in channel/networks.

So, what did I think of the telecasts? The energy seemed a little low, particularly at first. I don’t know if someone with input into the broadcast reads this blog, but it did appear as if an effort was made to have the telecast be a little more of a conversation among the hosts and less of Person A says x and Person B says y with no interaction. I have remarked that the Barrett-Jackson telecasts have seemed a bit stiff, in part because of the seeming lack of real dialogue among the hosts.

It was good to watch a Barrett-Jackson auction again although I still think the docket lacks diversity. Way too many pickup trucks and Mustangs for my taste although, once again, I realize that Barrett-Jackson is at the mercy of consignors and potential bidders. They have to offer what they think will sell for good prices.


Speaking of good prices (what a segue!), this is a Frugal Friday post. Oh, also speaking of CarMax, here is a picture of a car offered at $19,998 (a popular price for CarMax offerings):



This 2015 Mustang has about 45,000 miles. CarMax makes it much easier to find pictures and how much you would pay per month if you financed the purchase than it is to find out about the drivetrain, suspension, etc., but this car has a 6-cylinder engine (300 HP/280 LB-FT of torque) and an automatic transmission. That price ($19,998) is the price you pay–no negotiating–with the addition of an “administrative” fee and possibly shipping if your local CarMax dealer is more than x miles away from the CarMax location where the car is. Oh, an aside: if the picture disappears please let me know here. Thanks.









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Frugal Friday And Far More Significant Things

I suspect all of you remember where you were and what you were doing on this day in 2001. To me, the terrorist attacks are yet another example of the horrific evil that has existed since the beginning of mankind. As a child of Holocaust survivors, my life has been shaped by the profound knowledge that human beings are capable of actions most vile.


In 2002 a poll of TV Guide readers named Diana Rigg the “sexiest TV star of all time.” I’m not going to argue.

Of course, the RADA-trained actress with deep Shakespearean roots would probably like to have been known for work other than playing Emma Peel for 51 episodes of The Avengers. In this interview in The Guardian from last year, Rigg was quoted as saying, “Becoming a sex symbol overnight [in The Avengers] shocked me. I didn’t know how to handle it and I kept all the unopened fan mail in the boot of my car because I didn’t know how to respond and thought it was rude to throw it away.” She won a Tony, an Emmy and a BAFTA during her career.

Sadly, Rigg died of cancer yesterday at the age of 82. From CBS News a picture of the awesome Diana Rigg:



Yes, another last generation Cadillac Eldorado for Frugal Friday. From a picture of a 2000 Eldo in Sterling; this is not the car currently available on AutoTrader. As I wrote here, I am going to use more generic photos in an effort to keep the picture links from breaking. The AutoTrader car is in Sterling over Pewter, has about 61,000 miles and an asking price of $3,991.


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The AutoTrader car does not have the rear spoiler; I don’t like the rear spoiler on this car, anyway. As we (hopefully) get closer to our move to the desert, my mind is once again focusing on the search for a Grocery Car/Taxi/Corvette Companion. Anyway…four grand for a car like this seems like a steal to me, regardless of any Kelley Blue Book® value. Even if it needs a thousand in work after purchase it’s still a bargain.

OK, another Frugal Friday car…


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From (Duh…) a picture of a 2001 Ford Mustang convertible in Performance Red. The AutoTrader car is also in that color, has about 64,000 miles and an asking price of $9,995. For 2001, the GT-spec engine was a 4.6 liter/281 cubic-inch V-8 that produced 260 HP/302 LB-FT of torque. The AutoTrader car has an automatic transmission.

David Banner (not his real name) suggested this feature and I am grateful. Frugal Friday has now appeared on Disaffected Musings for more than a year and a half. (Where did that time go?!)

Regular readers have commented that they like Frugal Friday so it will remain a regular part of this blog, although it won’t be shown every Friday. I mean, how many last-generation Cadillac Eldorados do you want to see? 🙂










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Frugal Friday Reset

First…I offer my sympathies to Tom Seaver’s family. Although he and his team were responsible for “breaking my heart” during the first World Series I ever watched (1969, Orioles/Mets), I developed great respect for him as a competitor. His friends and teammates always spoke of him as a good person.

In The New Bill James Historical Abstract Bill wrote this, “There is actually a good argument that Tom Seaver should be regarded as the greatest pitcher of all time.” Bill rated him sixth. Part of that argument is that only one of the five ahead of him, Warren Spahn, even pitched after World War II. Bill again, “Where Seaver rates relative to those pitchers, then, depends to a large extent on how steep one believes the incline of history to be. Since no one can say with confidence how much tougher the game has become, it is certainly reasonable to argue that the accomplishments of early pitchers should have been marked off by more than I have discounted them, and thus that Seaver’s record, in context, is more impressive than Walter’s.” [Walter Johnson, whom Bill ranked number one.]

The “New” Abstract was published in 2001; the “Original” one, published in 1985, is probably still the book I have read the most in my life, even though I haven’t looked at it in quite some time.

From a Mets website–as opposed to the Mets website–a picture of “Tom Terrific.”

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The “reset” to which I refer in the title of this post has more to do with pictures than with anything else. Bring a Trailer has become very aggressive at breaking links to pictures on its website. Other sites, such as AutoTrader, are either breaking links or taking down listings that are no longer valid, which means the picture link is no longer valid.

When reviewing the contents of my blog, which I do on a regular basis (it’s called OCD) nothing makes me as mad as seeing references to pictures that are no longer displayed. When I can, I fix the post and add another picture. Anyway, I am going to find a “generic” picture of the car being featured and try to verbally describe the actual car.

In addition, I am going to be less concerned about mixing up the list and just write about whatever car I want for Frugal Friday. I will still continue to keep a list of Frugal Friday cars (OCD, duh…), but will not be bound by how recently I have written about a similar car.

Originally, I wanted to write about a 1968 Dodge Charger today. That car just missed being included in Ultimate Garage 2.0 and might be in version 3.0, if I ever do that. I just couldn’t find a decent one for sale for under $50,000 and think that to be a Frugal Friday car at that price means it has to be a good example of a more exotic and more rare car. Dodge built almost 100,000 Chargers in 1968.

From a site called (no surprise it’s not secure) a picture of a…1997 Lincoln Mark VIII. Such a car is currently offered for sale in the state in which we hope to be living in the very near future for $4,995.

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The AutoTrader car is in Bright Toredor Red over Ivory. The car is advertised as having about 38,000 miles. Of course, I wrote about the Mark VIII here.

I mean how could you go wrong for five grand?! Although no Kelley Blue Book® value is listed, probably because these cars are not common, I really wouldn’t care if that value were $2,000. Here is a good-looking car with plenty of room for more than two passengers or for groceries for five grand. You know the car only has 38,000 miles, right? 🙂 It’s also probably not a slug as it weighs about 3,800 pounds and its engine produces 280 HP/285 LB-FT of torque, or at least that was the output when new.

Does anyone want to weigh in on this car? We would like to read your opinions.







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Frugal Friday, C6 Corvette Encore

On a personal note…this day in 1999 was my last as a full-time employee of a major league baseball team. I didn’t know that at the time. In normal baseball seasons July 31 was the trading deadline, the day after which it is more difficult, although not impossible, to trade players. I confess I don’t even know if this date is still the trading deadline and, if it is, if it is still possible to trade players after July 31.

I tendered my resignation in May, but offered to stay through the trade deadline. Two of my colleagues, apparently, had a bet as to whether or not I was really leaving the organization. The one who won the bet is now baseball’s “Wonder Boy.”


Another personal “note”…



I have been waxing nostalgic for this car, my 2007 Corvette that I purchased new in February of 2007 and then sold in a panic in October, 2010 when I basically lost my baseball business. Earlier this week while running errands in my Z06, I saw a good-looking C6 convertible (a 2007 Corvette is a C6) with the top down. I am usually the first to make the “Corvette Wave,” but on this occasion the C6 driver beat me to the punch.

Although I wrote a Frugal Friday post about C6 Corvettes last September, I am compelled to do so again today. This is not the least expensive C6 I found on AutoTrader, but it was the least expensive convertible and this 2005 model allegedly has only 16,000-ish miles.



Maybe it’s inappropriate to write about buying cars as “toys” in light of current conditions including the largest quarterly GDP decline in US history. The opportunist in me thinks that this might actually be the best time to indulge oneself in such a purchase, if one is in a position to do so. The seller is asking $23,495, a price that AutoTrader calls a “Great Price” because it is in the lower half of the Kelley Blue Book® value range for this car. (A car with an asking price below that range is also called a “Great Price.”)

What do you think of this car? Is it inappropriate to buy expensive “toys” at this time? During the Great Depression many people of means refrained from buying expensive cars because they didn’t want to draw attention to themselves, not because they couldn’t afford it. Of course, at about $23,000 this Corvette is not expensive, as long as you’re still working and/or have a decent-sized nest egg.






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Frugal Friday, Hemi On A Budget

“There are more things in heaven and earth…than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

“All the world’s a stage, and all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances, and one man in his time plays many parts.”

– Shakespeare


The Chrysler Hemi engine has a long history, dating back to the introduction of the first version in the 1951 model year. That iteration was produced through 1958. The second generation, the famous “Elephant,” was available from model years 1966 through 1971. The current generation was first introduced as a truck engine beginning with the 2003 model year.

The “baby” of the modern Hemi family (Chrysler Corporation trademarked the word Hemi) is the version first used in 2003, a 5.7 liter/345 cubic-inch engine with an output of either 345 HP/375 LB-FT of torque or 340 HP/390 LB-FT. A revised version of this engine was introduced in 2009, producing 372 HP/400 LB-FT in the Challenger R/T automatic and 375 HP/410 LB-FT in the manual version. Without further ado, from AutoTrader, a 2012 Challenger R/T Classic:



This car has about 33,000 miles and is in Bright Silver Metallic over Dark Slate Gray (the interior looks black in the photos). The ad copy differs on what transmission is in the car, listing it as an automatic in one place and as a manual in another. Regardless, the asking price is just $18,991 and is actually well under the Kelley Blue Book® value range of $21,359-$23,868 shown at the bottom of the ad. Of course, the fact that the car was, apparently, involved in two accidents between June, 2017 and August, 2018 is the major contributor to the car’s asking price relative to “value.” Some hood misalignment is visible in a couple of the photos and the CARFAX® reports the first accident caused damage to the right front.

So, how comfortable would you be buying a car with prior accidents? Sometimes, buying a car on a budget or below “value” means buying a car with some issues. Still, being able to buy a Hemi Challenger built in the last 10 years and with under 35,000 miles for less than $20,000 might be worth the “risk.”








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Frugal Friday 45

First, another less than pleasant dream, this one from two days ago…I dreamt I had returned to a job from which I had been absent for awhile. The reasons for the absence were not made clear in the dream. I went to the office building, or what I thought was the office, only to find it was an enormous complex, filled with people I did not know. I did not recognize my surroundings and could not find “my” office. I was more bemused than angry, though. I was sure I was supposed to come back to work, but never did find my office.

I cannot remember a period in my life when I did not have dreams about being lost, about not being able to find what I am looking for. For years I had a recurring dream about my being (usually) unable to find my apartment. The theme was always the same: I lived in a new apartment building, but had to go through an older building to get to the one in which I lived. About nine of these dreams out of ten I could not find my apartment. For some reason, about every tenth dream I could find my apartment.


I have to admit that I had one idea for this week’s Frugal Friday, but then changed my mind because I thought I had used the same idea before, just not with the catchy title. I was going to call this post Frugal Friday, Double-Digit Cylinder Edition. Then, I actually looked at the list of Frugal Friday Cars (yes, I have a list…it’s called OCD) and didn’t see any post where multiple cars had been shown with that theme. So, long way ’round, here is the Double-Digit Cylinder Edition of Frugal Friday.

On AutoTrader I did a nationwide search for all convertibles and coupes made since 1981 (that’s as far back as AutoTrader goes without using their “Classics” website), fewer than 100,000 miles and with a 10-cylinder or 12-cylinder engine. Oh, I capped the price at $40,000. Do I have to explain why I used that price?

The search yielded 187 cars, some of which were listed for under $10,000, although all of those were either Jaguar XJS 12-cylinder coupes or Mercedes-Benz CL 600 or SL 600 cars. The C-series Mercedes do nothing for me, even if they weren’t a German car. Actually, most of the cars from the search are either a Mercedes-Benz CL 600/SL 600, BMW M6, or a Jaguar XJS 12-cylinder.

For no reason in particular I decided to show this car; well, maybe I had one reason:


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This is a 2000 Dodge Viper RT/10 Roadster with 48,000 miles listed for $37,995. Yes, I know the car has a V-10 with 450 HP. My question is: have you ever seen a worse-fitting top on a car? The tops for this generation Viper roadsters look like a very bad toupee. This particular car is not unique in that respect. Whenever I see one in an auction, televised or live, the ill-fitting top is all I can see. Sorry, Mopar fans, but that’s my opinion to which I am entitled even if it differs from yours.

How about this car?


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This is a 2006 Aston Martin DB9 Volante, which is the name Aston uses for its convertibles. For an Aston it’s not a low-mileage car with about 61,000 miles; the dealer is asking $25,990.

That’s a BEAUTIFUL car (my wonderful wife would concur). The maintenance would be expensive, but I can’t think of too many cars, if any, that would be as cool to drive and to look at for that money.

You can buy a V-10 or V-12 car, even a convertible, without breaking the bank, at least initially. I would very much like to read your thoughts on inexpensive double-digit cylinder cars.








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